Q&A: Brendan Sweeney

Composer Brendan Sweeney discusses “PSA,” featured on Sputter Box’s debut album.

Brendan Sweeney.

Sputter Box’s debut album, Sputter (SHRINKS THE) Box, features more than 25 brand new miniatures, each scored for bass clarinet, voice, and djembe.

PSA” is Track 09 on the album.

NATASHA NELSON: So your piece is called “PSA! Would you begin by speaking about your inspiration for the composition, including its notation and text?

BRENDAN SWEENEY: The whole miniature series was really, really cool. It’s an interesting way to do pieces and to see a bunch of different pieces from different composers. We started it right, I think, in the first month of quarantine. I said yes to writing the piece before I had an idea for it, which is how a lot of these first projects startedโ€”and that’s different from when you go to commission a piece with an ensemble, usually with an idea already in hand.

With everything that was going on, it felt really difficult not to address those circumstances. I felt like it was going to come out in what I was going to write in some way or another, so I decided to take a little bit of a [lighthearted] take on it.

At the time โ€“ around March โ€“ everything all across social media was about informing people: it was about telling people about social distancing rules, and informing people on how to flatten the curve and stop the spread of the virus. I made a piece that commented on that. It’s an actual PSA, using the CDC’s instructions for washing your hands as the text.

And so it was fun. It kind of became something that captured the weirdness of the time that the piece was made in, and the [uniqueness], not in a negative way, of making music with people who are miles away from one another, recording in separate houses. It captured that in a way I thought was a genuine reflection of what I wanted to do at the time.

What was it like setting a text that’s sort of clinical in nature, versus setting text from a poem? Was it a challenge in any way? Was it fun?

BS: It was fun. And that’s what I’ve been looking for more in my projects, too. The idea for that was in the spirit of another piece I was working on, exploring that idea of taking a text that’s not traditionally beautiful, per se, but still has something to latch onto, in either its bizarreness, or its weirdness, or a different kind of feeling. That’s a lot of fun.

It’s very different from a text I would’ve used for a large choir group. I like the freedom that writing for a single vocalist, within an instrumental [texture], offers.

Did the text’s vocabulary and style influence your compositional approach with regard to timbre or other aural characteristics we hear in the music?

BS: It definitely had an influence on rhythm, I find, because the vocal line came first, and then the instruments [join in] through mirroring, repetition, and supporting certain lines.

The rhythm was very key, because it set up motifs for the other instruments to play off of, especially if we’re talking non-pitched percussion. Having that little thing that the instruments can connect on โ€“ the middle part of the Venn diagram of what they can do โ€“ and exploiting that as much as possible is always, I think, a key ingredient to making a piece work. Finding a rhythm that would work for the text and for the vocalist, that could then be echoed and manipulated by the other instruments, was key.

This is so interesting. Would you describe the piece’s visual elements, and any extended techniques included in the score?

BS: I asked for half-keyed bass clarinet playing at some point, to generate some quasi-quarter tones โ€“ mainly as an effect, not really to be strict in the pitches โ€“ and the vocalist does that, as well. She sings in between the pitches on the line “Between your fingers.” It felt fun because it exaggerates a lot of the text with word painting. “Between the fingers,” being between the notes, was fun. I also asked the vocalist to mimic all the gestures that she was saying in the text.

Was the approach to collaborating here different from how it would have been if social distancing hadn’t been in place?

BS: Yes. I’ve never met any of the ensemble members in person. The first time we’ve ever really spoken to each other was purely over email, and I think maybe one phone call. And that’s differentโ€”I’ve done pieces with different collaborators across the country before, but usually there’s some kind of connection there previously; we might have met at a festival, or at a conference or something.

It’s different making music like that, especially for a new performance medium, which is really what all this new recorded music in different spaces is: it’s a completely new medium for people to experience art through.

It’s very different from a live concert, or even from a recording where everyone [involved was together] in the same space. Now, we’re taking three separate acoustic spaces and combining themโ€”and non-traditional acoustic spaces, too, if you consider recorded music that’s mostly been created in production studios and [more standard acoustic] spaces. And so there are a lot of elements that are very different that kind of dictated creativity in the writing and in the rehearsing of this piece. The ensemble was very upfront with suggestions to avoid anything that was too intricately metric, or that required severe hocketingโ€”anything that would be difficult to put together as three separate performances that then get layered.

Do you imagine “PSA” being performed live eventually, or is the work’s creation for a digital medium, specifically, an essential facet of the composition?

BS: I think it could be performed liveโ€”I’d like to see it performed live. It would be very different, though. Putting it in front of a live audience, you’d get the shared experience a lot more. So you take it from the individual experience of someone watching it on a device, just by themselves, and we turn that into an audience all sharing that experience at the same time โ€“ listening alongside the people next to you โ€“ which feels so weird to talk about now. People might laugh at the same partsโ€”those interactions that happen are what would make it a little bit warmer, probably, and a little bit more of a collective thing.

I suppose a piece with a touch of humor in its tone would indeed be experienced quite differently when viewed with a group of people, versus by oneself: audience members, as you mention, tend to bounce energy off one another. Do you think that presenting the work in a live performance setting, versus online, could in fact transform an aspect of the music, itself, in some way?

BS: Well it will be inherently different, just because live music’s different every time you play it. It’s one of the nice things about live music. It would be interesting to see how the performers create the piece in real time, as opposed to separately, in layers.

It would really be that special element of everyone [experiencing a performance together]. It’s like when you go see a comedy in the movie theaters: there’s a big difference between watching a comedy with a bunch of people in the audience, all laughing and feeding off of each other’s energy, and then watching it at home on your couch.

Absolutely. Is there anything you’d like to add today that we haven’t discussed?

BS: I’m really grateful for the opportunity to work with Sputter Box. They’re a great ensemble and I really appreciated the professionalism from them, and the opportunity to create something during everything that’s going on. It didn’t quite take my mind off things clearly, but it gave me an outlet for the things I was thinking about.


Find Brendan Sweeney’s website at www.brendansweeneymusic.com.

This article is part of a series, featuring interviews with 16 composers whose work is featured on Sputter Box’s debut album. Read the feature article here!

Interviews have been edited for length and clarity. #ShelterInSound

Q&A: Michael Genese

Composer Michael Genese discusses “The way we look,” featured on Sputter Box’s debut album.

Michael Genese. Photo: Nikita Smirnov.

Sputter Box’s debut album, Sputter (SHRINKS THE) Box, features more than 25 brand new miniatures, each scored for bass clarinet, voice, and djembe.

The way we look” is Track 05 on the album.

NATASHA NELSON: Would you begin by talking a bit about your composition for Sputter Box? Was this the first time writing for the ensembleโ€™s instrumentation?

MICHAEL GENESE: Absolutely. This is the first time Iโ€™ve written for Sputter Box. The piece is called โ€œThe way we look.โ€ I wanted to find a piece of poetry that would say a lot with a little bit of text, since the pieces were supposed to be a minute or less. I wanted something that was short, but still said something worth saying.

I chose this excerpt from a poem by Richard Siken about the way we look at people: the way we interpret how someone looks, and how our looking at them might influence how they look.

It was really wonderful to write for Sputter Box. Itโ€™s an instrumentation that can be really sort of barren in a way: thereโ€™s no keyboard instrument, itโ€™s all very exposed, and as a string player-slash-vocalist, itโ€™s almost hard to latch onto some of the texturesโ€”but itโ€™s so unique and wonderful. Theyโ€™re such a great group.

Does โ€œThe way we lookโ€ include extended techniques?

MG: Yes, there are a few. The clarinet gets most of them. There are some key clicks, air sounds, and some timbral trills, for which Kathryn basically has to play the same note two different ways and toggle back and forth between them.

Were any aspects of the compositional process for this piece, and in writing for this instrumentationโ€™s particular timbral combination, surprising or unexpected?

MG: Getting the instruments to interact with each other in a way that was genuine and organic โ€“ especially writing for a group thatโ€™s [collaborating remotely], with three instruments that are so different timbrally โ€“ I thought the standard formula for writing music and counterpoint would get me farther than it did. I really had to be very mindful of how these lines could interact with each other, and how they could interact with each other specifically when the three of them werenโ€™t together in the same room.

I listened to a couple recordings on your website. I loved what I heard! One of the pieces I listened to was Bird Mansion, as well as Je me suis embarquรฉeโ€”I was really interested to see that title because I know the art song setting by Faurรฉ and itโ€™s a personal favorite. Would you like to discuss either of those pieces?

MG: Yeah, itโ€™s funnyโ€”actually, this morning I was working on Bird Mansion. Iโ€™ve been taking this mixing and mastering class, and Iโ€™m revisiting the mixes on my [recorded works]. Bird Mansion has actually been the trickiest, given the thick electronics part, and mastering every single source and component in the piece.

Listen to Bird Mansion, performed by JACK Quartet.

Bird Mansion was about the last apartment I had before I moved to New York. What I really like to do with my electronics pieces is preserve sound space, including things that we might take for granted. For example: the birds that live near the apartment weโ€™re at that might actually not be anywhere near where we go afterwards, the way the microwave sounded while it was runningโ€”those kinds of really small things that paint an aural picture of a place.

I loved that apartment so much and I was so excited to come here [to New York], but I didnโ€™t want to forget how the place sounded. Thatโ€™s still one of my favorite pieces that Iโ€™ve written. Itโ€™s really near and dear to me. Iโ€™m so glad you listened!

Would you also discuss Voices 21C? Did you co-found the organization?

MG: I am what we call a founding member. We started up in 2016. We were sort of birthed as this choir that was supposed to take part in a project that our conductor had, and none of us wanted to disband, so the people that founded it grew this non-profit organization. Weโ€™re Boston-based. A lot of our folks are from all over. Weโ€™re a social justice choir that uses our concert programs to tell narrative stories about current social justice issues. So we collaborate with a bunch of people, we work with childrenโ€™s choirs wherever we go, we perform at choral conferences, and discuss what choral music could be. Itโ€™s an organization on the front lines of questioning what choral music is and how it serves people.

Do you have any projects coming up that youโ€™d like to share?*

MG: Yes, letโ€™s seeโ€”next month [in June 2020] there is a digital music festival being hosted by ChamberQUEER. Iโ€™ve written a piece with a text by Phillip B. Williams for ChamberQUEER thatโ€™s premiering at some point this summer, which is really great. Thatโ€™s been a really exciting projectโ€”itโ€™s been really great to work with them.

*This interview took place on May 31. Genese’s composition What is meant, scored for soprano, baritone, and two violoncellos, premiered on June 24, 2020.
Listen to the recording here:



Listen to more music by Michael Genese at www.michaelgenese.com.

This article is part of a series, featuring interviews with 16 composers whose work is featured on Sputter Box’s debut album. Read the feature article here!

Interviews have been edited for length and clarity. #ShelterInSound

Q&A: Josh Trentadue

Composer Josh Trentadue discusses “ALL I WONDER,” featured on Sputter Box’s debut album.

Josh Trentadue. Photo: Brendan Prednis.

Sputter Box’s debut album, Sputter (SHRINKS THE) Box, features more than 25 brand new miniatures, each scored for bass clarinet, voice, and djembe.

ALL I WONDER” is Track 02 on the album.

NATASHA NELSON: Would you begin by discussing โ€œALL I WONDER,โ€ including your inspiration for the composition and its text setting?

JOSH TRENTADUE: Absolutely. I first heard about Sputter Boxโ€™s project Sputter (SHRINKS THE) Box when they started posting about it and started reaching out to composers asking them to write music for them. Iโ€™ve been a fan of the ensemble for quite some time now. What I really like about them is how much they have thought outside the box in terms of interdisciplinary approaches, in terms of chamber music, in terms of creating art for their instrumentation on top of that. I wanted to write something for them for this project that would reflect that, even though given the circumstances of the COVID-19 pandemic, that the approach to it was going to be different.

My inspiration for writing this really came as a spark. I woke up one morning and discovered that where I was living, it was pretty stormy outside and the weather was actually pretty bad. There was rain, there was a little bit of thunder and lightning, and just from that visual imagery alone that morning, the text basically wrote itself. I thought about all of the people who throughout this quarantine had been isolated, had been on their own through this pandemic living by themselves, and I thought about how each of us were all going through this in our own way, really. My approach to writing this was to write something that reflected that with the visual imagery of this weather, essentially, but leaving it open-ended with a question: to ask if there was the possibility that there was anyone else out there that was going through this, as well, who could relate to those circumstances.

What came first, the text or the melodic line?

JT: For me, the text came first: that visual imagery of the weather outside that one day gave me the idea for it. I wrote it all down, then did a little editing afterwards. What I tried to do with the music was find a way to be able to reflect that, as well.

Did the contour of the vocal line, specifically, come from imagery in the text or from the rhythm of the words in a very particular way?

JT: Yesโ€”the rhythm of the words, definitely. I tried to write something that was going to fall in line with that, but I also wanted to write something with the contour that was going to add to the emotional despair of the piece. Something that was going to add to the loneliness, or that fear of being lonely.

Does โ€œALL I WONDERโ€ include extended techniques?

JT: Yes, there are quite a few, mostly for bass clarinet and djembe. I asked Peter to play a couple of slaps on the djembe which create more of a punctual sound, as opposed to just playing the drum on its own. I also asked him to use a couple of techniques where itโ€™s his fingers only, so that you get more of the overtones of the drum. He also made them really quiet, too. My idea for that was to create some texture that was going to add to the visual imagery of this weather that I described. And for Kathryn, for bass clarinet, I asked for similar things, too, to add to that imagery. For example, there are a couple places where sheโ€™s asked to blow air through her instrument at no pitch whatsoever; itโ€™s just air, and with that I wanted to create the idea of this wind blowing through the storm.

Would you explain the effect of a timbral trill, written here in the score for bass clarinet?

JT: Sure. A timbral trill is essentially when an instrumentalist is asked to do a trill on a singular note, but all that theyโ€™re changing is the fingering for that note. For this piece, specifically, I asked Kathryn to do a trill on the exact same note, but the fingerings on it are different; she has a fingering and an alternate fingering that she goes back and forth between. That creates โ€“ in my mind, at least โ€“ a different sound or texture than, say, if you were to trill between two different notes.

Shifting focus for a moment to the vocal part, Iโ€™m curious to hear about your choice for notating the last lines of the text โ€“ โ€œHear me? Hear me?โ€ โ€“ with x-noteheads in the score.

JT: For the text and with the repeat, I wanted to create an echo of the [penultimate] line, โ€œCan you hear me?โ€ With the notation, I asked Alina to not rely on pitch so much and lean more on a whisper, so that it can create for the listener this idea that there is an echo being lost in the wind.

I enjoy exploring the following question, as well, with regard to notation for text settings in vocal music: what idea inspired your choice to notate those final lines, indicated with x-noteheads, on that specific pitch (Eb4), versus elsewhere on the staff? Are the lines intended to be half-pitched in a way?

JT: I think the reason I chose this pitch was because I liked where it was in the register and I liked how it added to the rest of the other music going on. I think it gave more of a quality of a whisper or an echo for what I was looking for here, as opposed to higher in the range, or maybe even lower in the range.

Would you speak for a moment about M.O.T.I.F. (Music of the Introspective Fields)?

JT: So that is the name Iโ€™ve given for my self-published work, my self-publishing company. For me it means two things: the first being that music for me is always about introspection. Thatโ€™s where it starts: how we feel inwardly, and then translating that to how we express it outwardly. And the second part of it being that a motif is basically a little musical identity or fragment thatโ€™s constantly repeated or reworked or developed over time throughout a piece. And motives are something that I continue to work with in my own music.

Is there anything more youโ€™d like to share about this piece or this project?

JT: I think that about covers the piece in particular and the ideas that I had behind it, but I would like to mention, as well, that Iโ€™m very, very grateful to Kathyrn, Alina, and Peter for this opportunity to be able to keep creating music, especially with other people during this crisis and during this time that a lot of artists are really struggling right now.


Trentadue is co-founder of the Milennium Composers Initiative (MCI).
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This article is part of a series, featuring interviews with 16 composers whose work is featured on Sputter Box’s debut album. Read the feature article here!

Interviews have been edited for length and clarity. #ShelterInSound