Q&A: Julienne Tsang

Composer Julienne Tsang discusses “Lorelei of the Leeches,” featured on Sputter Box’s debut album.

Sputter Box’s debut album, Sputter (SHRINKS THE) Box, features more than 25 brand new miniatures, each scored for bass clarinet, voice, and djembe.

Lorelei of the Leeches” is Track 12 on the album.

NATASHA NELSON: Would you begin by talking a bit about your piece for Sputter Box, including your inspiration for it and its text?

JULIENNE TSANG: To start, I play a lot of Dungeons & Dragons. I had started a new campaign for it with some of my friends, and as I was making a character for the game, the opportunity to write for Sputter Box came up. So I was thinking, โ€œWouldnโ€™t it be kind of fun to write a piece for them about my Dungeons & Dragons character? . . . Why not?โ€

That was my main inspiration for the piece and the idea behind itโ€”and the text is actually all original. From that initial idea, I just kind of went with what felt like, to me, was appropriate for the character, who goes by the moniker โ€œThe Lorelei.โ€ In a sense, I guess I wrote a theme song for the character.

Thatโ€™s very interesting! What came first in the compositional process for the piece: the text or the melody?

JT: I feel like both came together, simultaneously. I heard a little [bit of] melody in my head, ย and then pictured my character: I was thinking about the background of my character, including what they went through in their past lives, et cetera. Then, it kind of evolved into its own little poem of sorts.

Listen to Tsang’s composition “Electricity” (2019) for clarinet quintet, here.

Would you explain in a bit more detail how characters are created for Dungeons & Dragons?

JT: Yesโ€”you create your own characters with a set of guidelinesโ€”you take all these rules and then you kind of mix and match to create something of your own. ย I really like that about the game. Itโ€™s very fun!

Have you written for Sputter Box, or for this instrumentation, before?

Listen to “Snarinet” (2020). As the composer describes on SoundCloud, the piece, written for clarinet and snare drum, features “two unlikely allies together.”

JT: Iโ€™ve written for clarinet before, and for voice. I havenโ€™t written for this type of ensemble, however, so it was really fun to take these different instruments that are not very traditional [in this specific combination in chamber music repertoire] and put them together.

Are any extended techniques included in “Lorelei of the Leeches”?

JT: Yesโ€”I believe I used flutter-tonguing in the bass clarinet. Iโ€™m actually a clarinetist myself, and I was thinking of how flutter-tonguing โ€“ when done correctly โ€“ย has this really lovely rolling sound . . . kind of like a mysterious thought. And, I thought, it would be a really cool effect and help with the setting of the piece.

Listen to Julienne Tsang’s piece “DeVoid,” a miniature for melodica and a musical response to isolation, also written in 2020. The featured image is a digital painting by the composer, created to accompany the composition.




This article is part of a series, featuring interviews with 16 composers whose work is featured on Sputter Box’s debut album. Read the feature article here!

Interviews have been edited for length and clarity. #ShelterInSound

Q&A: Matthew Slazik

Composer Matthew Slazik discusses “Unremarkable Brain,” featured on Sputter Box’s debut album.

Sputter Box’s debut album, Sputter (SHRINKS THE) Box, features more than 25 brand new miniatures, each scored for bass clarinet, voice, and djembe.

Unremarkable Brain” is Track 11 on the album.

Opening measures, excerpted from Slazik’s score.

NATASHA NELSON: I wanted to of course ask you about your piece, “Unremarkable Brain,” for Sputter Box. Would you begin by discussing the composition and its text?

MATTHEW SLAZIK: So the piece arose out of convenient timing, or inconvenient timing, depending on how you want to look at it. I got a message about the collaboration opportunity the same week that I ended up having a medical issue. I was walking up in the woods and out of the blue, my vision just went doubled vertically. It was really weird. I thought it was a fluke thing, because it was the first week of online classes, and I thought maybe I was looking at a screen too much, so I said I was going to give it 24 hours to clear up.

That day went by and it didnโ€™t clear up, so I contacted my doctorโ€™s office and told them my symptom. They suggested I either go to the emergency room or see an eye doctor immediately, because that kind of thing is symptomatic of some pretty serious stuff. Given the pandemic, that was kind of tricky to manage because not many places were open and we didnโ€™t want to go to the emergency room. Fortunately, we got in with an eye doctor. She wasnโ€™t sure what it was, so she sent me in for some MRIs.

I had an MRI done and it came back all clear. After a couple more tests, they determined that itโ€™s perfectly treatable. My vision is pretty much 99% normal, so itโ€™s not a big deal, but this MRI scan kind of became representative of the whole situation: this uncertainty of what it could be and this fear, and the report itself coming back entirely normalโ€”kind of looking back on a really scary situation and seeing, in retrospect, that it wasnโ€™t that big of a deal, but it was at the same time, if that makes sense.

I got my hands on the MRI report, and I looked at the different language used in it. I found the most interesting bits from it and I basically wrote a poem out of the MRI report. I used that text as the basis for the piece, trying to convey this idea of anxiety associated with an unconfirmed diagnosis, and then in the end finding out that itโ€™s not really anything all that serious, and life goes on, and all those sorts of things.

Was “Unremarkable Brain” the first piece youโ€™d written for this particular instrumentation?

MS: Yes. In fact, aside from soprano voice, I donโ€™t think Iโ€™ve ever really written for bass clarinet or djembe before, so it was definitely an interesting experience trying to write for thoseโ€”not only those instruments individually, but also together as an ensemble.

Would you describe your compositional approach applied to this piece?

MS: Generally when Iโ€™m writing, my personal process is I tend to think about harmony pretty heavily. Whether itโ€™s tonal, functional, or non-functional, Iโ€™m always thinking vertically. In this case, I figured that really wasnโ€™t going to work quite as well because there are really only two melodic instruments, and thatโ€™s going to be kind of tricky to convey harmonic information.

What I ended up doing was thinking in terms of line: thinking horizontally. First, I wrote the vocal line: I analyzed the scansion of the text I had and set that for soprano voice. Then, I determined that I wanted to convey this idea of things being out of focus โ€“ things being shifted โ€“ so I wrote a tone row for the bass clarinet. Itโ€™s actually a derived tone row on the tetrachord “HEAD,” using the German spelling of “H,” and then I shifted that by one note so that itโ€™s kind of out of focus.

I really focused on how those two lines were interacting, and the djembe serves to accent different points of importance, and different points of things being out of focus and coming back together. It was really interesting to experiment with that and also figure out, for example, “Howโ€™s the singer going to get her pitch?”โ€”especially when I have a lot of these clashing intervals to convey this idea of things being out of focus and not being quite right.

Does the score use traditional notation?

MS: For the most part, yes. There were a couple points where I [wrote] a spoken-word part; Alina, instead of singing some parts, just spoke the text. Even then, thatโ€™s pretty traditional notation: x-noteheads. I was happy that I was able to create what I think is a pretty interesting sound for the ensemble without having to do anything too crazy. I wanted to avoid that. For a one-minute piece, especially, I wanted to make sure that it was really accessible and really easy to understand.

Matthew Slazik. Photo: Fredonia Composition.

Something that really interests me with regard to compositional choices is Sprechgesang or Sprechstimme, and the options a composer has in notating spoken text. When crafting the vocal part for this piece, how did you decide which phrases to take out of the overall context to be spoken, rather than sung?

MS: Thatโ€™s a really interesting point actually. In fact, I was looking back, listening to [Sputter Box’s] performance, which was fantastic. They did a wonderful job. It wouldโ€™ve been interesting to hear it as Sprechstimme throughout, especially because the piece is cusping on this mesh between German Expressionism and the frivolity of Les Six, [a] countermovement to Impressionism. I particularly think of Poulenc in this instance, because his lyrics are just so funny sometimes, and so lighthearted, even though heโ€™s oftentimes talking about sometimes serious subject matters. Thatโ€™s what I was trying to go for.

Got it! Yes, Iโ€™m a huge Poulenc fan.

MS: Yes, heโ€™s wonderful. The text for “Unremarkable Brain” is not lighthearted, but itโ€™s definitely got some moments where it isnโ€™t meant to be taken too seriously, which was an intentional choice. So itโ€™s for that reason that I had those lines spoken. I think it was “Incidental cystic lesion / There is no midline shift.” Those were a pairing in the MRI report, so thatโ€™s part of the reason that I had those phrases spoken. Part of it was intuitive, because I wanted a break in the sound. It was a lot of singing and I wanted to break that up a little bit. The other reason is because it adds to that idea that this isnโ€™t meant to be taken too seriously.

One thing I noticed with this piece was, thereโ€™s a lot of medical jargon in it:

Flow voids at the skull base; Incidental cystic lesion; Vertical Strabismus.”

Itโ€™s kind of representative of diagnoses and how there are oftentimes a lot of these scary terms that are thrown around that, in reality, really donโ€™t mean anything significant. I wanted to add to that idea by having those lines spoken.

Excerpt from score for “Unremarkable Brain.”

Thatโ€™s very interesting. Were there other extended techniques indicated for the piece?

MS: I donโ€™t think so. I considered doing some timbral trills in the bass clarinet, but I decided to leave it where it was.

Is there a particular style or instrumentation that you are most inclined to write for, or have written for?

MS: Early on, definitely. I started writing for Big Band. In fact, the very first piece I ever composed was a Big Band chart, fully notated, which is kind of weird [laughs]. Iโ€™ve been making a really conscious effort to try and expand what Iโ€™m writing for. Iโ€™ve been trying not to fit in any box because right now, early in my career, itโ€™s a great time to figure out what I like, what Iโ€™m good at, what maybe I donโ€™t like, what Iโ€™m not good at. Iโ€™ve been trying to dabble in everything.

I did this piece, I just finished up an electro-acoustic piece, Iโ€™m currently working on a progressive rock tune, and Iโ€™m actually going to be doing another Big Band arrangement. Iโ€™ve been dabbling into art songs, and eventually next year Iโ€™m going to do some choral arranging. So I donโ€™t necessarily have a style, but I do tend to find in general that writing for instrumental ensembles is something that I really enjoy.

And when you composed this piece for Sputter Box, did you compose at the piano or did you notate directly onto staff paper? How did that part of the process develop, with regard to envisioning the timbres and other aspects of the piece as you were writing?

MS: Itโ€™s one of those things thatโ€™s changed a lot. I went through a phase where I was constantly composing at the piano, and I found that that was also very restricting at times.

How so?

MS: You talked about timbre, for example, and also range, and things that are pianistic donโ€™t always translate to other instruments. Iโ€™ve been making a marked effort to shift away from that, and now I primarily compose away from the piano on staff paper. Iโ€™ll have the piano nearby so if I need to get a pitch or to make sure Iโ€™m audiating something correctly, I can do that. But I try as much as I can to write away from the piano these days.

This piece started on staff paper, entirely. I notated the vocal line and then figured out the primary tone row that I was going to use. Then, I did a matrix to show all the different transformations of that tone row. From there, I started sketching ideas on staff paper, and then I moved to notation.

Has this process โ€“ with regard to composing for a digital medium, specifically, and writing during this time โ€“ been a somewhat novel experience?

MS: Yes, it has been. In a general sense, this whole thing has really taught me just how much I rely on people to be creative. I never thought that I did, but I realize that now. I come from a very small town. And even then, contact is so hard in this whole thing (the pandemic). It can be really challenging. So itโ€™s definitely been different: trying to figure out how am I going to stay creative, and how am I still going to make contact with people?

Itโ€™s become more focused for me. Itโ€™s become a very inward form of composition. Iโ€™ve been doing a lot outside. The electro-music piece that I wrote used entirely field recordings that I gathered myself from various locations around my house. I went to a waterfall, a couple streams, the woods. I even went to my friendโ€™s farm and got some recordings there.

Listen to “Silo Improvisation No. 2.” As described by the composer, the improvisation, played on melodica, was recorded in an empty grain storage bin.

Iโ€™ve also been doing outdoor recordings. Thatโ€™s the big project Iโ€™m working on right now. I have a piano piece I wrote, and itโ€™s got seven sections-ish. And Iโ€™m going to record each section in a different location outside around my town, and then stitch it together to form this continuous piece with changing scenery.

The above video recording of “Nocturne in Ab,” composed and performed by Slazik, features various locations in Tully, New York. (Recorded by the composer with John Salisbury. Video editing: Jeremy Jonczyk, Graham Wolfe; audio editing: Graham Wolfe.)

What town is that? Is that the same town you mentioned earlier, where youโ€™re from?

MS: Yes. Itโ€™s Tully, New York. Itโ€™s definitely a very beautiful place. Itโ€™s kind of a hidden gem in New York. So itโ€™s shifted, I would sayโ€”a lot of my creative inspiration comes from the other musicians and people around me, and nowadays โ€“ not to say that it doesnโ€™t, because it still does โ€“ but thereโ€™s definitely a larger portion now that comes from the places around me and the things that are happening to me. And thatโ€™s been really interesting to experiment with and translate to my music.


This article is part of a series, featuring interviews with 16 composers whose work is featured on Sputter Box’s debut album. Read the feature article here!

Interviews have been edited for length and clarity. #ShelterInSound

Q&A: Mavis MacNeil

Composer Mavis MacNeil discusses “La Dame,” featured on Sputter Box’s debut album.

Mavis MacNeil. Photo: Colleen Miller.

Sputter Box’s debut album, Sputter (SHRINKS THE) Box, features more than 25 brand new miniatures, each scored for bass clarinet, voice, and djembe.

La Dame” is Track 04 on the album.

A second miniature by the composer, entitled “Trapped,” is Track 14.

NATASHA NELSON: I enjoyed reading the program note in the preface to the score for โ€œLa Dameโ€! Would you begin by sharing a few details about the miniature for readers?

MAVIS MACNEIL: Sure! Itโ€™s funnyโ€”I always write a program note to put in my score, but I feel like I always have to pick [just] one little slice of what a piece is about. I had a lot of fun writing โ€œLa Dameโ€ because I really love these three instruments, specifically. I would say percussion, bass clarinet, and voice are some of my favorite instruments to write for. I think if I were asked to name my three favorites, they might be those, plus cello. So that was really exciting.

I really loved getting to write a sort of microcosm of a piece. That was a cool thing, to try to write with a time constraint, because so often I feel like Iโ€™m aiming for a longer duration.

Did the goal of composing this piece specifically to be recorded influence how you approached the writing?

MM: Yes, definitely. As I was thinking about the piece, there were things that I wanted to write that I realized wouldnโ€™t be ideal for the approach Sputter Box was taking for this particular project, for recording separately. I tend to like to add contrapuntal and hocketing elements [in my scores], and the ensemble asked us to avoid the latter for this project. I really liked that challenge because I think itโ€™s so easy for me to try to put [numerous] ideas into a composition and make things complex. This really forced me to focus on simplifying.

I was excited to see that “La Dame” (“The Woman”) features a text by Guillaume Apollinaire! Iโ€™m familiar with some of Poulencโ€™s settings of his poetry and I have a book of Apollinaire texts and translations stored away somewhere.

MM: Oh wow, cool!

Have you written for voice previously?

MM: Iโ€™ve written for the voice quite a lot. Iโ€™m a singer.

Me too! In which languages do you usually write vocal music?

MM: This mightโ€™ve been my first foreign language text, actually. I think Iโ€™ve primarily set text in English.

What was it like setting text in another language?

MM: It was fun, definitely. This spring, I joined C4 Ensemble (the Choral Composer/Conductor Collective), which is a collective in New York. Itโ€™s a really good choir. Most of the members are also composers or conductors and theyโ€™re serious singers. In hearing people talk all the time about how they think about text when theyโ€™re setting it โ€“ in terms of vowels, and especially French vowels as applicable here, passaggio, and very specific things that, as a singer, you think I would automatically be thinking of โ€“ I was more conscious of it. I was glad to have that in mind as I was approaching it.

Did you have Apollinaireโ€™s poem in mind for this project from the start?

MM: I have a lot of books of poetry, and I usually start with text when Iโ€™m composing. My first thought was Mina Loy, a Modernist poet. She was a really interesting person. I remembered her having some really vivid imagery in short passages from longer poems. I was looking through a book of her texts โ€“ her poetry โ€“ but nothing really felt quite right. Then I noticed the Apollinaire book on my shelf.

I was reading through a bunch of poetry and I came across โ€œLa Dame.โ€ It was the right length, I thought. It ended up being a little long for a minute-long piece, but I thought it was really cool. As I say in my program note, itโ€™s dark, but it also has this silliness to it, because it depicts a little mouse running around, watching a corpse being carried out of this building.

I see! So would you say it conveys a level of absurdity thatโ€™s heightened, to the point where one could see it through an almost-comical lens?

MM: Thatโ€™s what I thought. What happened, though, was after deciding that was the text I was going to set, I wrote it down in my manuscript-paper notebook. Then, the following week โ€“ this was in March โ€“ my partner and I decided we were going to leave New York and come to Vermont, which is where Iโ€™m from. After much deliberation, we decided that was the right choice. I brought my notebook, but I didnโ€™t bring the book of poetry. I was kind of glad I [ultimately] didnโ€™t have [the published translation] in front of me, because I think the English translation is under copyright, and I didnโ€™t want to be influenced by it. Itโ€™s such a short poemโ€”itโ€™s pretty easy to do a literal translation of it, but I didnโ€™t want to be looking at the other one.

Pictured: An excerpt of the vocal part from MacNeil’s full score for “La Dame.”

Whatโ€™s your vocal fach?

MM: Iโ€™m a soprano. Iโ€™ve written some songs that Iโ€™ve performed myself. I started writing the piece by going through the text and thinking about how I wanted to set that. The vocal melody came first. Alina has such beautiful, shimmering high notes. Sheโ€™s amazingโ€”it was so cool to get to write for her.

Absolutely! I see this cool indication in the score for the vocal part. It says: “Act startled by other parts (maybe jump a little).” Would you consider this marking theatrical in nature?

MM: Yeah! I was thinking about it being theatrical since I knew it would be a video performance. I think I had seen a few posted before I sent my score in to Sputter Box, so I knew they were using these tight camera shots [for their recordings] and that a facial expression would be really visible. I donโ€™t tend to put theatrical indications in my scores, but it just seemed like a fun little thing to include.

How about extended techniques? I see there are a couple indications for bass clarinet, such as key clicks, and for djembe.

MM: Yeah! Because of the medium, I didnโ€™t want to do anything too crazy, and the ensemble actually gave guidelines about that, so I was trying to keep it simple in that regard. I like having some different timbral things and sounds that are [somewhat] extended.

I heard this Meredith Monk interview once where she talked about when writing a piece, not letting the extended techniques be your priority or dictate how youโ€™re writing it. I think some people do that really well and it can be fun to emphasize this one extended technique in a score. But personally, it resonated with me just to think of [extended techniques] as a bit of color to use once in a while. And that tends to be my approach.

What are some of your particular areas of interest in composing, with regard to instrumentation, style, or other aspects that come to mind?

MM: Itโ€™s shifted a lot. I think thatโ€™s true for everyone. I went to a really small liberal arts school, so I was a general music majorโ€”I didnโ€™t get to take private composition lessons until my senior year. Even though I was trying to figure out how, it was just tricky. Since I was either the only composer at my school, or one of a couple, I didnโ€™t really have much of a context to think about identity. Later, I went to Bowling Green State University for my Masterโ€™s, which is very avant-garde focused, so I definitely became experimental, for me. My earlier stuff was not tonal, but very harmonic. Then I played around with some more challenging sounds.

After grad school, I think the first piece I wrote was a duet for soprano and violin, which my brother and I performed. It was a setting of a passage from Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman. I incorporated some folk melodies. It was really satisfying to perform that piece, because my family liked it. [laughs] That shouldnโ€™t really be the measuring stick, but it made me realize that I want to write music that is approachable. I donโ€™t want to be unadventurous, but at the same time, I want to write music that the people I love will enjoy. I also think a lot about performers and who Iโ€™m working with, so that tends to drive the music that I want to write. I guess I get more adventurous or experimental if Iโ€™m writing for someone who is comfortable in that realm.

Is there anything youโ€™d like to add that we havenโ€™t discussed?

MM: I thought this was such a cool project. I feel like everyone has been struggling to figure out how to respond to the COVID-19 crisis, and I havenโ€™t seen any other chamber ensembles do quite the same thing. Sputter Box also jumped on it so quickly. They have been extremely organizedโ€”they had this great idea and they took it and ran with it. Itโ€™s been a really positive experience. I feel really lucky to have gotten to be a part of it.

Pictured: The concluding measure of the djembe part, excerpted from MacNeil’s full score for “La Dame.”

This interview preceded MacNeilโ€™s second composition for the โ€œSputter (SHRINKS THE) Boxโ€ project. Her second miniature, โ€œTrapped,โ€ is a setting of a poem by Adelaide Crapsey (1878โ€“1914). Crapseyโ€™s poem is quite different from the narrative about the attentive mouse and its energetic movement conveyed in Apollinaireโ€™s โ€œLa Dame.โ€

The poem โ€œTrappedโ€ instead gives the sense of an ellipsis: itโ€™s a small capsule of fragments that expresses volumes of expansive, lingering, and hesitating phrases of time. At first read, the poetry appears to exceed its own bounds in its succinct length. MacNeil writes an instrumental texture in her score for Sputter Box that conveys that very sense of suspension in a lilting, oscillating sequence of motives for bass clarinet, punctuated with flickers of urgency in the rhythmic writing for the djembe.


Find Mavis MacNeils website at mavismacneil.com.

This article is part of a series, featuring interviews with 16 composers whose work is featured on Sputter Box’s debut album. Read the feature article here!

Interviews have been edited for length and clarity. #ShelterInSound